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  First time they publicly admit this or not?

  by TimDrake1914 in

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  2. bible

  i came across this on the newest wt study edition for 7/15/15 pg.

  9 par.

  14:"they remember when congregations had a congregation servant rather than a body of elders, when countries had a branch servant rather than a branch committee, and when direction was given by the president of the watch tower society rather than by a clearly established governing body of jehovahs witnesses.

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  I seemed to recall that was the reason they gave us when they went to a Governing Body in the 1970's.
  
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  Apostasy Trial on YouTube - Undercover spycam part 1

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for only the second time in internet history, a video recording of a secret jehovah's witness apostasy trial has been published online on the jwstruggle youtube channel.

  follow isaac's story here:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9rh6qux0o&feature=youtu.be.

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  What's really interesting is that Isaac didn't bring up 1975 or 1874 first, but it was the elders who did! It shows they're thoroughly familiar with TTATT talking points.

  I recall running into my ex brother in law a few years ago and he was the one that brought up about how the society made mistakes in the past but it would be so good to see you back in. I was shocked when he actually admitted there was some mistakes made. I guess they know that the same old tired arguments don't work with us older guys.
  
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  Apostasy Trial on YouTube - Undercover spycam part 1

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for only the second time in internet history, a video recording of a secret jehovah's witness apostasy trial has been published online on the jwstruggle youtube channel.

  follow isaac's story here:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9rh6qux0o&feature=youtu.be.

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  What a crock, "Jehovah doesn't force anyone to come here....If you want to be part of that flock you have to let us know that." If he is not going to the meetings then isn't that like him saying he doesn't want to go? Besides what do they call summoning him to a JC hearing? As this fellow is talking you can see the elders minds going letting him talk so they have enough on him to get him for a apostasy. If this guy doesn't want to be DF'd for apostasy, he should keep his mouth shut and let the elders do most of the talk, otherwise they are just getting more an more ammo on him to DF him.
  

  I like how they twist the WT predictions by saying, "Forget about 1975, 1874" etc., "These are dates that are worldly history". "Jehovah has nothing to do with them." The elder goes to say this isn't Jehovah's time table. Then why does the f'ing WT keep setting these dates? The elder said he has being in the society since 1968 and he doesn't know what the WT said about 1975? Either he is a liar or doesn't know what his own religion/cult said about 1975. He goes on to say, "I went through 1975 and that was a shaky time". Then he again ads, "Jehovah's timetable and mans have nothing to do with each other". Again it wasn't man that set the 1975 date, it was the WT. If they are saying the man made organization. the WT and the GB set the dates then they can't be spirit appointed. These elders are a bunch of deluded pr*cks.

  He goes on to say and the bottom line with the WT is, "Either you are with us or against us" There is no middle ground as far as they are concerned. I was also given that ultimative at my JC hearing 20 years ago
  

  The other elder goes on to say about the book 20 years a WT slave and says, "He must have being pretty stupid to allow himself to be a slave as no one is forced to stay in the organization".
  

  The fellow here goes on to say" I was ill prepared for this system" because of what I was taught growing up. I am sure these elder have heard this argument thousands of times.

  You can tell when he starts talking about reading "apostate lies" on the internet to do with the organizations covering up pedophiles, the elders apostate red flags start going off in their heads. The one elder is trying to justify the actions of other imperfect elders covering over the pedophile issue by saying they are imperfect men. Well who appointed these imperfect men to positions of authority in the congregation in the first place? They are appointments by the WT acting on behalf of the organization.

  So far an interesting video.
  
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  Apostasy Trial on YouTube - Undercover spycam part 1

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for only the second time in internet history, a video recording of a secret jehovah's witness apostasy trial has been published online on the jwstruggle youtube channel.

  follow isaac's story here:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se9rh6qux0o&feature=youtu.be.

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  One other thing I noticed from this interview is the main guy Isaac mentions he was ill prepared for life because he thought the new system would be here before he graduated high school or some thing to that effect. Well I don't know how old he is but he's probably at least 10 to 15 or more years younger then me and I was thinking the same thing when I was growing up. I have a friend that's 10 years older then me and he to was thinking the same exact thing that he too would see the new system before he graduated high school.

  Funny I was born and raised during the 1975 hype and it was the same mind numbing stuff then to. Seems like the WT never changes. It is like the boy that cries wolf. I was not supposed to see my graduation in 1974. To me they WT has lost all credibility.
  
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  Is This a JW on The TV show called Horders?

  by greenhornet in

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  2. medical

  http://www.aetv.com/hoarders/video/stacey-roi.

  this is the link.

  however it may not work because i am logged in on my account.

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  Hoarding in a mental disorder and can affect anyone.
  
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  Biggest SCAM in the history of mankind - [except for Watchtower]

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. social
  2. current

  you may find this of interest.

  how money and greed really work.. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x25210y_the-biggest-scam-in-the-history-of-mankind-hidden-secrets_tech.

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  Good video. Our Financial/Banking System is one big Ponzi scheme that will eventually collapse on itself.
  
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  WT instructions on NOT copying the 'Shepherd Flock of God' book.

  by Esse quam videri in

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  2. beliefs

  shepherd the flock of god.

  1 peter 5:2.

  this publication is congregation property.

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  William Penwell

  Like any copyright warning it is only there to tell you that if you are caught making copies of the said material, you could be prosecuted.
  
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  These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

  by Crazyguy in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

  to funny nice job....

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  If you'd done that in my Mother's Kingdom Hall I'd be trying to find you, you self absorbed, arrogant little arsehole and waving the banner of free speech in my face wouldn't protect you.

  I hear what you are saying although I would not stoop to their level. I made the point earlier that if that had being a KH that my mother attended and they upset her, I would be pissed off at those people to. Maybe my mother was misguided by this organization but she was faithful in what she believed and had never harmed anyone. She like a lot of dubs are good people and don't deserve to be disrespected. Like some other poster said on here we all have issues with the WT, they are out enemies not the average R&F members.
  
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  JWs And Near Death Experiences

  by Cold Steel in

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  William Penwell

  I agree with smmcroberts explanation and analysis. There is always a logical explanation for everything.
  
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  Disturbing Demon Watchtower Subliminal (NEW)

  by artcritic in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  warning children do not enter this page or those who are sensitive.

  i have warned you.

  scroll to bottom of page.

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  William Penwell

  Someone has to much time on their hands, I just don't see it.